How
Not To Get Ripped Off:
These points have been painfully
learned by many CJ750 riders over the course
of years in Beijing from dealing with unethical
shops. There are many good shops, and there
are a few shops that have extremely questionable
practices along with some sleaze bag individuals.
Sometimes it depends on your luck whether you
get a good CJ750 or good maintenance work, sometimes
you just have a natural lemon and then there
are times when you can get really screwed. It
depends on how much research you do, how much
you checking out the market and community, going
to the right or wrong shop. Not doing your research
is asking for regrets.
I recommend that you look for
shops that has lots of Chinese riders going
to them and we repeat this very often, DO NOT
BUY AN ILLEGALLY REGISTERED CHANG JIANG 750
SIDECAR. This means a CJ750 with fake plates.
Legal Chang Jiang 750 sidecars with Beijing
plates are available. From meeting with the
foreigners that I know that have illegally registered
CJ750 sidecars, a legal one from a reputable
local shop would have been much less expensive,
a new Chang Jiang 750 with legal Beijing “Jing
A” plates list for only about 40,000RMB
and pre-owned registered in 1997 sidecars with
expired plates start at around 5,000RMB. If
a shop insist that it is OK to ride one, then
you should ask them to give you a letter with
a company seal stating that they will be 100%
responsible for any liabilities that occur,
because the insurance policy that they give
you will not cover your ass. Also it is smart
to check if the shop is licensed to do business.
Get an itemized estimate for
how much your repairs and maintenance will cost.
Make sure its printed, we have seen some really
wild prices and incredible reason that absolutely
makes no sense. For full restorations some over
runs may occur as the amount of work can only
be determined when the Chang Jiang 750 is all
taken apart. Make sure it is itemized.
Anyway, after many conversations
and stories of how some of us riders have been
ripped off here, we have decided to add this
page in to give you some clues on how they work
and it would really be neat to let us know your
stories too, you can email it to us at cj750net@gmail.com.
We are sure that you will find some of the info
listed easily identifiable.
Hebei
Plates:
Be
wary of shops that tell you they can get you
plates that are good for anywhere but Beijing.
They might show you insurance documents or even
get you a blue book. If you do not have the
CJ750 properly registered under your name with
valid documentation, most likely your CJ750
may be of questionable origin. We know of many
people that have bought CJ750 sidecars with
fake plates, paying more than double the price
of a legally licensed Beijing "Jing A"
plates and to top that off get into an accident
and have had to pay out tens of thousands of
RMB. It is beyond comprehension why one would
buy such a CJ750 with fake plates and documentation
when legal ones are highly available. They are
illegal, and you risk much liability riding
one and also liability to all those that ride
with you. If your CJ750 has fake plates, I would
recommend you return your CJ750 to whom ever
you bought and get your money back or call the
police. There are legal Hebei plates, make sure
you get yours from a reputatble dealer.
Legal CJ750 sidecars are available in Beijing.
Registration only takes about two days. Insurance
is only 400rmb for third party coverage of 50,000RMB.
Do not fall for the “no problem”
answer. Buy a CJ 750 with legal Beijing plates!
You
can read more about buying a CJ750 in our Buying
in Beijing FAQ.
M-5
Wheels:
There are faulty
M5 wheels in the market that can cost you your
life. These wheels have an hairline fractures
in them from poor aluminum injection. Originally
the M-5 wheels were made under stringent QC
by Jim Bryant however another dealer went to
the factory and got all the rejected wheels
and flooded the market with them. In 2008 I
towed two crashes from these bad wheels and
also have seen many collapsed wheels. If you
want to use M-5 wheels make sure that you get
the original good ones from Jim Bryant directly.
If anyone else offers you them, they are playing
with your life!
“Vintage
Parts" and "Genuine Parts”
Normal
every day parts sold as antique, genuine, original,
or unique parts…and price of the con:
400RMB for a 75RMB fender
800RMB for a 20RMB timing advance lever
150RMB for 5RMB spark plug cables
1000USD for a used 6V 32 hp engine, actual cost
is less than 150USD to convert the engine, and
a new 12V 32hp engine cost only 500USD
There
are loads of old parts available in Beijing
especially PLA parts, check around do not be
a victim of some fancy story about how old things
are or about original parts and that every one
else has fake parts, there are many old parts
from military storage in Beijing and are considered
normal parts, most local dealers do not differentiate
these parts and most of the shop will not disappear.
“1960’s
Chang Jiang 750 sidecar”
Pre
1960’s CJ sidecars with type 1 engines,
sleeved frames, and Ural sidecar frames and
are commonly known as M72. Pre 1970 CJ750 sidecars
have different frames and sidecar frames so
it is very easy to identify, especially because
they have many Russian parts or M72 parts on
them. Check out the M72 section on our site
and you will see the differences between 1960’s
versus later parts. Being old does not mean
its of better quality. If you are paying for
a 1960’s Chang Jiang you should get one.
Many export CJ750 sidecars are from the 1980's
and 70's. Rarely are there any 1960's sidecars
left. I have seen a few riders paying tens of
thousands of RMB for what they thought were
a rare hard to find vintage CJ750.
“Original or hard to find”
There
are rumors that local Beijing shops sell Chang
Jiang 750 sidecars and parts that are fake and
that there is only one dealer with “original,
genuine, authentic” Chang Jiang 750 sidecars
and parts. Do we smell something here?
To
quote an e-mail I received: “If someone
thinks that there is only one person that has
real Chang Jiang 750 sidecars and all other
Chang Jiang 750 sidecars are fake, there is
definitely some wrong logic there.” China
made over a million of these vehicles, and many
of these bikes are sold as scrap metal. We have
a standing offer to anyone that can bring us
a “Fake” Chang Jiang 750 sidecars
for us to compare to the ones we have we will
give them 10,000RMB.
“Exclusive”
There
are quite a few dealers in Beijing that have
contacts with getting PLA CJ750 surplus sidecars.
Access to Chang Jiang 750 sidecars is not exclusive
and there are many of these PLA Chang Jiang
750 sidecars around, especially in junk yards
outside of Beijing. Most of the CJ750 in junk
yards are in terrible condition unless you buy
direct from the military. The military unloads
hundreds and thousands of these as surplus every
year. Do your research, check around. If someone
claims to have exclusive PLA contacts, and if
you believe it you are going to get suckered!
“Broken Transmission Gears”
Many
Chang Jiang 750 sidecars have gear slippage
which sometimes is quite normal. This usually
can be fixed by adjusting the two gear screws
behind the transmission. In most cases you do
not need new gears! Unscrupulous shops will
tell you they replaced your gears when all they
did was adjust the two screw in the back of
the transmission.
You
can tell a shop that does this by the fact that
they will not immediately work on your Chang
Jiang when you are there, or hesitate on giving
you a time when they will work on it. It takes
less than 2 minutes to do a transmission adjustment.
They can immediately adjust your transmission
screws to allow you to see if it can be fixed
without being taken apart. This job is done
by adjusting the screws and looking at the amount
of travel of the gear shift you can basically
tell if something is wrong. If they do not have
two minutes to check your transmission out when
you are there, go somewhere else.
“Bad Piston Rings”
Chang
Jiang 750 engines are very sensitive machines,
and it is quite normal that the engine will
be out of tune either because of timing, valves
or carburetor adjustment and will run terrible.
Unscrupulous shops will charge you for taking
the engine apart and replacing some parts when
all they did is adjust your timing and carburetors.
You
can tell this by when you bring your bike to
the shop and the guy will just tell you to leave
it and he will fix it later. What the shop should
do is first check the adjustments to make sure
it is all correct and then you take it for a
drive to see if there is really something wrong
with the engine. You can usually tell the shops
that do this when you request them to tell you
a specific time that they will work on your
Chang Jiang and you want to watch them do it.
Again checking the carburetors should take no
more than five minutes and if the shop you are
at will not do it infront of you, go somewhere
else.
“Tightening of Bearings”
Many
Chang Jiang 750 sidecars will have some front
wheel wobble; it can be corrected by tightening
the main bolt on the fork on the tree mounts,
it may also be from wheels that are not true
or the tires are not mounted properly. Unscrupulous
shops will tell you that they had to replace
the fork, or tire, or some parts, when all they
did is tighten the triple tree mount fork bolt.
This
process of tightening the bearings under the
triple tree mount takes about 30 minutes. If
a shop asks that you to leave it behind to be
fixed tomorrow, ask what time so you can watch
it being done. If the steering bearings are
replaced, it should be no more than 100RMB.
“Bad Clutch”
Your
Chang Jiang 750 is not accelerating properly
and jolts when you let the clutch go while in
gear. Most likely it is the clutch actuator;
it’s a flat quarter wheel with bearings
and rod that pushes the clutch plates apart.
It can be taken apart from the back of the transmission
and replaced in about 10 minutes. When the clutch
actuator is worn out, you can feel the vibration
on the clutch lever, the bike will not accelerate
smoothly or will not go into neutral and engine
will go dead cause it cannot hold the clutch
open.
Unscrupulous
shops will tell you that your clutch is bad
and charge you hundreds or even over a thousand
RMB to replace it, when it is only 50RMB job.
I have seen many friends fall victim to this.
It is not easy for a Chang Jiang 750 clutch
to go bad, however the clutch actuator wears
out frequently.
“Clear coating existing paint”
We
have seen many bikes that went in for a paint
job and the shop just basically clear coated
the bike with lacquer. This happens mostly on
black paint jobs. You can tell by the finish
and also underside of the CJ750. This kind of
paint job will last a few months and it will
start to crack and fade. For pin striping, some
shops will just tape on stripes, clear coat
over it and tell you it’s a new paint
job.
To
avoid this, ask for paint job that is different
from the original paint such as some pearl dust.
Check the undersides and also underneath the
screws and bolts. Make sure your bike is taken
apart to the last piece and sand blasted clean
before its painted.
Website Dealers:
Make
sure your dealer is an actual shop that you
can visit and they actually have customers.
We know of many people that have bought a CJ750
from a website dealer only to find that there
is no after sales service. This is really unfortunate
because not only did the buyer pay an extremely
high price, most shops will be very reluctant
to work on it knowing that the buyer spent lots
of money to buy it from the virtual shop and
now wants it fixed without spending any money.
Ways to not get ripped off:
•
Go through our site and real all the details.
• Visit many of the shops, and get a fair
price.
• Be wary of fancy stories of how old
something is or of its origins, there are many
old parts in Beijing coming from PLA storage
everyday.
• Request that the shop you have fixing
your CJ750 give you a time that they will work
on it so you can actually watch them take it
apart.
• Beware of the bait and switch technique
especially when you are buying an old Chang
Jiang 750 or M72.
• Get a CJ750 from an actual shop, you’ll
know where to find them if they rip you off.
• Do not buy a illegal CJ750, any CJ750
without Beijing “Jing A plates”
• Look out for rust and dull paint spots
(spray paint from can to cover rust or damage)
• Pay for your CJ750 after the title has
been cleared and transferred.
• Make sure that the frame is not bent
or damaged.
Some
information to help you understand the shops
and what they do:
If
you bike is going to be repainted:
The
process of painting the CJ750 properly will
require all the parts be taken apart. Some of
these parts will need to be replaced after the
bike is painted such as screws, wiring, rubber
parts, seats, seals, etc.
The
chrome on some parts such as where the handlebars
are mounted may fall off.
Replacing seals:
All
Chang Jiang 750 sidecars leak oil, so replacing
a seal may not guarantee 100% that it will not
leak again.
Wheels:
The
wheel may become un true after being ridden.
The rims are too soft and Beijing has some rough
roads. If you want a perfect wheel go with aluminum
ones or alloy rims.
Cylinders and Pistons:
Newly
installed cylinders and pistons need to be broken
in properly; if not there can be some serious
problems such as excess wear on cylinder walls.
We have seen guys that get their engines rebuilt
and immediately start hitting 80KM on them with
no break in time. Patience will pay off, ride
slowly.